Comments on: MVC is dead (really) http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/mvc_is_dead.html Jeff Haynie on business and technology in Silicon Valley Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:47:16 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John K http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/mvc_is_dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-2418 John K Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:47:02 +0000 http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/?p=47#comment-2418 I could not agree more, unfortunately programmers will cling to their "one trick pony" as old habits die hard. Most large scale implementations have realized this and made the proper adjustments. Case and point, ESRI and ArcGIS Server 9.0 started out implementing an MVC architecture in ASP.NET web mapping applications. Now the latest movement is SOA with the release of all the thin client API's like ArcGIS Server Silverlight API, ArcGIS Server Flex API, and ArcGIS Server Javascript API. There is some buzz bout HTML5 rendering these thin clients obsolete but if you have ever programmed for multiple browser support you'll quickly agree that HTML5 standardization will be a nightmare, besides HTML5 is not even set to release until 2022 lol.<br><br>Just because Microsoft released an MVC doesn't mean squat, they also recently released the Silverlight client which supports SOA . Microsoft simply has the market covered and that is their only mission.<br><br>Jeff, you are obviously successful and likely because you have the ability to see inconsistencies where others cannot. <br><br>~Supporting Voice I could not agree more, unfortunately programmers will cling to their “one trick pony” as old habits die hard. Most large scale implementations have realized this and made the proper adjustments. Case and point, ESRI and ArcGIS Server 9.0 started out implementing an MVC architecture in ASP.NET web mapping applications. Now the latest movement is SOA with the release of all the thin client API's like ArcGIS Server Silverlight API, ArcGIS Server Flex API, and ArcGIS Server Javascript API. There is some buzz bout HTML5 rendering these thin clients obsolete but if you have ever programmed for multiple browser support you'll quickly agree that HTML5 standardization will be a nightmare, besides HTML5 is not even set to release until 2022 lol.

Just because Microsoft released an MVC doesn't mean squat, they also recently released the Silverlight client which supports SOA . Microsoft simply has the market covered and that is their only mission.

Jeff, you are obviously successful and likely because you have the ability to see inconsistencies where others cannot.

~Supporting Voice

]]> By: flv to dvd http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/mvc_is_dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-2173 flv to dvd Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:11:48 +0000 http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/?p=47#comment-2173 I used MVC in several projects and it isn't as convenient as expected. I used MVC in several projects and it isn't as convenient as expected.

]]> By: Steve Conover http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/mvc_is_dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-247 Steve Conover Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:01:59 +0000 http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/?p=47#comment-247 MVC will be around as long as there are user interfaces and data (I just finished a project that had at its core MVC separation in JS on the client - we loved it). It's a nice organizing principle that often makes your life simpler, and yields powerful reuse possibilities when done skillfully. Popular frameworks bloat. MVC/ORM/doesn't matter what it's based on - but it doesn't mean the underlying ideas are bad. Another way of saying that is, the bloat is parasitic on the simple ideas that attract everyone in the first place. The important thing is to take the *ideas* away that you like, and go find a nice stripped-down environment that expresses what you care about in as near a poetic way as you can get. A few things to check out: OOJS foundations: Mootools, Prototype JS testing: JsUnit Interesting ruby mini-frameworks: Sinatra, Merb, Camping, Datamapper, Sequel MVC will be around as long as there are user interfaces and data (I just finished a project that had at its core MVC separation in JS on the client – we loved it). It’s a nice organizing principle that often makes your life simpler, and yields powerful reuse possibilities when done skillfully.

Popular frameworks bloat. MVC/ORM/doesn’t matter what it’s based on – but it doesn’t mean the underlying ideas are bad. Another way of saying that is, the bloat is parasitic on the simple ideas that attract everyone in the first place.

The important thing is to take the *ideas* away that you like, and go find a nice stripped-down environment that expresses what you care about in as near a poetic way as you can get.

A few things to check out:

OOJS foundations: Mootools, Prototype
JS testing: JsUnit
Interesting ruby mini-frameworks: Sinatra, Merb, Camping, Datamapper, Sequel

]]> By: Mike http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/mvc_is_dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-238 Mike Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:12:22 +0000 http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/?p=47#comment-238 Recently Microsoft announced a new ASP.NET MVC framework and there has been a lot of interest in it, so it's not really dead in the minds of programmers. In fact, I believe that even in SOUI (as I understand it) you'd still need routing and controllers. Granted, views are not needed if you have a single page AJAX/DHTML interface, but you still need to call to an endpoint that maps to a controller. Recently Microsoft announced a new ASP.NET MVC framework and there has been a lot of interest in it, so it’s not really dead in the minds of programmers.
In fact, I believe that even in SOUI (as I understand it) you’d still need routing and controllers. Granted, views are not needed if you have a single page AJAX/DHTML interface, but you still need to call to an endpoint that maps to a controller.

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