Comments on: Dear Java http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/dear-java.html Jeff Haynie on business and technology in Silicon Valley Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:47:16 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Curtis Forrester http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/dear-java.html/comment-page-1#comment-61 Curtis Forrester Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:04:37 +0000 http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/?p=81#comment-61 Funny as heck, Jeff. I totally agree. True, Java rocks and I also suffered through the era of "Yes, it really can do that...just watch." A big part of the problem is who uses which tools. Time was Java developers were the mavericks who were not afraid to kick the tires and take the new language for a spin. They perceived that there was opportunity to do new, cool stuff that wasn't possible previously. Those Java developers now have "matured" and adopted patterns and methodologies and have their favorite tools (etc). The ruby guys just want to use cool stuff and build cool stuff. And so, here we go again. The adventurous are using the newest to do the coolest while yesterdays cool has become so mainstream. Funny as heck, Jeff. I totally agree. True, Java rocks and I also suffered through the era of “Yes, it really can do that…just watch.”

A big part of the problem is who uses which tools. Time was Java developers were the mavericks who were not afraid to kick the tires and take the new language for a spin. They perceived that there was opportunity to do new, cool stuff that wasn’t possible previously. Those Java developers now have “matured” and adopted patterns and methodologies and have their favorite tools (etc). The ruby guys just want to use cool stuff and build cool stuff. And so, here we go again. The adventurous are using the newest to do the coolest while yesterdays cool has become so mainstream.

]]> By: Jeff Haynie http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/dear-java.html/comment-page-1#comment-60 Jeff Haynie Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:07:02 +0000 http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/?p=81#comment-60 I really will enjoy seeing the whole Java is mature and stable and Ruby is not debate. I suffered through this in Java and was a very staunch promoter for the last 10 years for Java. I also was one of the only companies 5 years ago doing Java in the Telecommunications industry - and I still have nightmares of the debates I had with very large telecommunications companies who would send their teams of elite systems engineers to tell me that Java was not capable of doing very large scale systems. It's funny how with time, things change - or remain the same. The debate was always C was so much more mature, stable and scalable over Java. Now, the debate rages over Ruby vs. Java. Ruby is the new entrant and Java is old hat. Life is so beautiful. And in ten years, we'll be doing this again. :) I really will enjoy seeing the whole Java is mature and stable and Ruby is not debate. I suffered through this in Java and was a very staunch promoter for the last 10 years for Java. I also was one of the only companies 5 years ago doing Java in the Telecommunications industry – and I still have nightmares of the debates I had with very large telecommunications companies who would send their teams of elite systems engineers to tell me that Java was not capable of doing very large scale systems. It’s funny how with time, things change – or remain the same. The debate was always C was so much more mature, stable and scalable over Java. Now, the debate rages over Ruby vs. Java. Ruby is the new entrant and Java is old hat. Life is so beautiful. And in ten years, we’ll be doing this again. :)

]]> By: Jean-Marc Lagacé http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/dear-java.html/comment-page-1#comment-59 Jean-Marc Lagacé Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:58:29 +0000 http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/?p=81#comment-59 Jeff, Straight to the point and even fun to read. I think you're quite right in saying Java will stay but it was about time a language with a better level of "expressiveness" showed its face. That being said I think we need to keep Java in our radar. It is well supported by many corporations (outside Sun) unlike Ruby which is mostly a "Lab/School" language (wich should probably change with more and more site using RoR and companies like <a href="http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2006/8/7/ruby-on-rails-will-ship-with-os-x-10-5-leopard" rel="nofollow"> Apple who will ship Ruby on Rails with OS X 10.5 (Leopard)</a> Jean-Marc p.s. The code is not visible to enter when CSS is enabled (I had to disable it to be able to enter any) Jeff,

Straight to the point and even fun to read.

I think you’re quite right in saying Java will stay but it was about time a language with a better level of “expressiveness” showed its face.

That being said I think we need to keep Java in our radar. It is well supported by many corporations (outside Sun) unlike Ruby which is mostly a “Lab/School” language (wich should probably change with more and more site using RoR and companies like
Apple who will ship Ruby on Rails with OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

Jean-Marc

p.s. The code is not visible to enter when CSS is enabled (I had to disable it to be able to enter any)

]]> By: Sherry Heyl http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/dear-java.html/comment-page-1#comment-58 Sherry Heyl Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:41:07 +0000 http://blog.jeffhaynie.us/?p=81#comment-58 that is on of the most fun and genius post I have ever read! that is on of the most fun and genius post I have ever read!

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